--- In Firebird-general@yahoogroups.com, "brendaneich" <brendan@m...>
wrote:

> Thanks, I've set things up for email. I was wondering why my

original

> post (news://news.atkin.com:119/3E9EC640.6000009@m...) made it
> to the newsgroup, without my having at that time been a
> firebird-general subscriber.

Brendan, we ourselves sometimes are very astonished by behaviour of
mirror at news.atkin.com :) My messages, for example, appears in this
mirror only if I post them using browser on Yahoo.
I'm rather late here, missed point when list was renamed from IBDI
(InterBase Developers Initiative, group, whose efforts were perhaps
main force which stopped murder of InterBase). It's our glorious
history, and seems we were too late with renaming.
First of all, if you are still here, I must say I long ago had not
such a reasonable and pleasant interlocutor as you, my attitude and
respect to Mozilla people significantly shifted from point where it
sided after attempts to intercourse at the beginning and then just
silently reading numerous sentences from James Russell (Kovu), who,
looking at his profile description, is not occasional person in
Mozilla world, and some others at mozillazine site. I went there to
make possibly required explanation of our problem with Mozilla
decision about name but stopped comments when catched myself on
loosing face and participating in fool and unscrupulous squabble,
where one side don't want hear another and tries just cry more loud
and offensively :( Hope it starts to become history too.

> "It" wasn't your name. "Firebird" by itself is a word used in many
> names. Trademark law is clear, but beyond the law, we weren't being
> legalistic bullies -- we genuinely thought no one would confuse
> Mozilla Firebird with Firebird SQL or Firebird the RDBMS project. I
> still don't think anyone looking for a database known by the

Firebird

> name will be confused.

If you don't work directly with end-users, you a happy man :) Or
perhaps level of computer competence of people who just use computer
to help themselves to make money in trade or production is much higher
in your world than in my, or every small company in your world have
money to keep at least one IT specialist. In Russia not only small,
but middle-weight companies want to buy box which make what they can
imagine just now, don't thinking of perspective and pay only for
accidental support to person/company who sold them this box. So, to
earn enough money, small IT companies or even individuals should have
some tens of such users, so support and installation of new versions
of applications and software which this applications use became mainly
email and phone based, our heads in one place, user's eyes and hands
in another. Simplicity of administration of Firebird server allow it
and it is one of the reasons why Firebird is perhaps most used SQL
server in Russia. Another reason is it is free so applications are low
priced. Note people who are our users want not only use computers for
production purposes but to joy too, they install games, and of course,
Internet browsers. This users can confuse in absolutly unpredictable
situations, neverthelles (or because of this) they are usually very
courageous in installing and starting any programs don't reading
install dialogues and pressing OK on every question. So, if there will
be two Firebirds and any possibility for confusion, our life will
became a nightmare. Don't think situation in Brasil significantly
differs. Perhaps it looks like an idiotic life for you, but...

> But I was ignorant of all of the
> difficulties you had with Borland; Doug Chamerlin was kind enough to
> recount some of the details to me in a private e-mail. That

explains

> a lot of the furor, even though I don't think it excuses the
> ad-hominem arguments and the imputation of evil motives.

You are right, many of us are battle-hardened and warrior's reflexes
sometimes reacts smarter than brain :) Even me, being much less
touched by Borland War than Helen, and intensively cooling myself this
days two times losed temper and was rude on mozillazine :(

> of the problem we've had with code-names). We're just trying to
> distinguish our own apples from our own oranges, using a name people
> involved in Mozilla will recognize, in context, as denoting the
> standalone browser project formerly known as Phoenix.

If so, you are doomed to this pain - continiously search for free
namespace and avoid possible conflicts. Why don't you use version
numbers? Our Firebird 1.5, for example, is significantly different
from Firebird 1.0 software, they have different features, written in
different programming languages, even seems have minor problems with
compatibility and migration. And application _developers_ know it,
what about user - he should be able just read the version being guided
what button he must press and report this to developer. Is'nt such an
approach more easy for all?

> Why do you assume he deleted all the mail? Why not ask him why he
> needed a resend?
>
> You should allow for delays and lost messages when dealing with
> someone who is being mailbombed.

We was once catched in similar trap. In those battle I participated
too and it was very familiar, at least for me. Perhaps my paranoia.
Perhaps. I really _very_ want to believe you and personally I will.

> I haven't been initiating hostile email campaigns and press calls.

If there were hostile emails, I assure you this was not stimulated
by Foundation or IBPhoenix. More, to avoid language problems, it was
recommended to ask you to change name, not to demand. If some people
posted really hostile messages, I want you to know there was they own
will.

Best regards, Alexander V.Nevsky aka Ded.