> In that case, I reject your proposal. It breaks the layering, it is
> insufficient to scope to evaluation, and violates existing internal
> conventions.

You did not explain how it breaks layering - you just assume that
handles/values are going to be obtained from Y-valve, you do not say
why it is insufficient, you do not respond to arguments (for example
the charset issue), and you did not care to define your internal
conventions (Vulcan sources also do not bear a single line of
comment) and assumes that everybody is able to read from your mind.

In this case I stop any moves in that direction. It makes no sense to
discuss anything if another party is not willing to explain his own
objections.

Therefore, I consider this discussion for me as closed. Bye.

Roman