|Subject||RE: [IB-Architect] ISC - State of the nation report ?|
|Author||Claudio Valderrama C.|
> -----Original Message-----Don't know what you mean with obscure, but there's nobody trying to cheat
> From: odonohue [mailto:odonohue]On Behalf Of Mark O'Donohue
> Sent: Jueves 27 de Julio de 2000 22:00
> PS: The venture capital thing on interbase2000 is also a bit
> obscure, what do they want money, or
> someone the hassle the guy and why?
people and get money for his or her personal profit. See below, I'm
reproducing a posting in Mers:
Helen Borrie wrote in message
>At 05:28 PM 25-07-00 -0400, you wrote:either.
>>Make that three of us. I can only muster that it has something to
>>do with vul^H^H^H venture capital being held back, but I'm confused
>>as hell by the IBDI homepage asking us to contact this Dalton
>>Crawford fellow about this. And say what? "Give us your money,
>>we want your money, we love your money, we need your money!"
>Mmm? did it say that? interesting....
>>I wonder if Helen or someone else "in the know" could tell us
>>in no uncertain terms what all of this means.
>Nobody can tell us "in no uncertain terms". But let's have a close look
>at the current situation.
>What we were looking forward to was a scenario (fairly reassured by public
>statements by Dale Fuller, over the months) in which an infrastructure was
>to be set up to ready InterBase for open source and ongoing technical
>supervision. The actual work of presiding over the creation of a
>sustainable business model around InterBase-related support, distribution,
>training and marketing was put into the hands of Ann Harrison, who was
>contracted to achieve that by whatever means possible. Markus Kemper and
>(I think) Wayne Ostiguy carried on with InterBase product support for
>Inprise's existing customers with Markus putting in long hours of voluntary
>time into the beta testing and support that you have all witnessed over the
>past 6 months.
>Charlie Caro and Brett Bandy have put in a similar mix of paid and
>voluntary time in bringing the beta forward to release stage. Again, both
>have been very obvious donors of own time to helping those who have helped
>themselves to the betas.
>Ann has been working the long hours, too, along with Paul Beach and Matt
>Larsen, to design and implement the business model for the support company
>and negotiate unendingly and frustratingly with Dale Fuller over the
>conditions for selling the operation to the new owner. Ann has
>unremittingly kept up her insightful problem support in this list. Paul
>has been actively marketing Interbase services and setting up business
>relationships with other companies, to be brought into reality once the
>operation passed out of Inprise hands.
>Paul and Matt have remained unpaid throughout the entire time.
>An important factor in the readying phase has been to get an ODBC
>driver. Originally, this work was outsourced. When Fuller closed down the
>InterBase operation in December, that contract was terminated. As many of
>you may know, Jim Starkey (the original architect of InterBase) stepped up
>and developed a driver which was in beta at the end of last month, the
>promised deadline for the handover of the operation to ISC and for
>releasing the source code and the full IB 6 release. Jim was not paid,
>Out here in the community, several of us have been involved in the
>development of the InterBase community, through free support, providing
>documentation, running discussion lists, doing tools development, building
>networks around an open source InterBase, active beta testing. I've tried
>as best I could to keep information as up-to-date as possible, through the
>interbase2000 web site and the lists.
>Given the problems that the ISC team have had to deal with in their
>negotiations with Inprise, some non-technical details haven't filtered out
>here to the public arena. We've gone as far as we could go without
>compromising the team. You know who we are - "the bad apples", as someone
>For those of us who are passionate about the survival of InterBase and
>chose to be proactive about it, it has all been worth doing. Despite the
>delays, the whole handover and freeing of InterBase from Inprise shackles
>has made it every inch "worth it".
>Until yesterday. First, Dale Fuller's statement on the early-morning
>conference call that the InterBase company probably wouldn't be spun off
>after all. Next, the releasing of the source and binaries by Inprise
>itself and the rewording of the IPL to remove all references to ISC as the
>owner of the assets. And, as soon as we began downloading from the Inprise
>site, it was clear that Inprise was keeping some crucial pieces back.
>Fuller has put an irrational, outrageous price on the pieces - the test
>suites, documentation and the build environment, along with the trademarks,
>domain names and what-have-you. Who will not pay the price shall not
>receive. Technically speaking, these pieces are useless to Inprise, who
>ceased development of Interbase seven months ago. But withholding them
>gives them leverage to try and force acceptance of their outrageous ransom.
>So - we resort to the fallback strategy. Now that the source code is
>openly available and the IPL is formally and very publicly sanctioned by
>Inprise, there is nothing to prevent anyone from forming an
>"ISC". Technically and economically, to be able to buy the ransomed pieces
>at a fair price would give such a company a kickstart. Technically and
>economically, that company could also reconstruct everything from scratch,
>fork mainstream development under new trademarks and really make InterBase
>This isn't just the newest bright idea. It has been Plan B ever since the
>day Fuller publicly announced the spin-off plan and its intention to kick
>off the operation with a 29% VC stake. The stumbling block of course is
>the price. If the condition of the deal is that the buyer has to spend R &
>D dollars and then give the product away, how can a company commit to a
>debt that is hugely out of proportion to the value of the purchase and
>expect to sustain itself? Fuller's ransom offers no resort except
>self-destruction. It puts the buyer company in the position of having to
>devour its own flesh.
>It wasn't always Plan B. During the six weeks' delay between Fuller's New
>Year announcement that InterBase was going OS and his mid-February
>announcement of the spin-off plan, it was Plan A.
>Now it is Plan A again. I reiterate what I wrote on the web site - to do
>this it needs (1) venture capital - that is, sufficient investment and
>financial commitment to get this thing moving and cash flowing. Equally,
>(2) it needs customers and, specifically, your commitment to bring that
>business to the company. Ann, Paul and Matt have spent 6 months putting
>together a business plan that can work. An expert and devoted community
>has coalesced around that core. We have the people. We have the
>source. We would all wish for the cooperation of Inprise but we can do
>without it if we have to.
>>Dalton Calford wrote:
>> > :)
>> > Great minds thinking alike.......
>> > Sebastian Skracic wrote:
>> > > Er, pardon my English, but now when the source is released and
>> > > ISC holding the largest InterBase brain-power ever assembled in
>> > > history, why do they need Inprise at all? I know that IPL now
>> > > states 'Inprise' instead of 'ISC', but does it really matter?
>> > > Are there some trademark issues maybe?
>> > >
>> > > And finally, why not just fork/rewrite the code from the ground
>> > > up, and release it under new license, this time with 'ISC'?
>> > >
>> > > Just thinking aloud,
>> > >
>> > > Seb.
>> > >
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