OK Paul...

Sorry for being so sluggish on this. My IBO is 4.6.A. In IB_Grid.pas
the lines:

if not PositionControl( Col, Row, CellRect( Col, Row )) then
SysUpdateEditor;

was added in the end of procedure TIB_CustomGrid.CMEnter. I think it
was added as a means to ensure that the color coding for an empty
dataset was enforced having embedded controls. I see no other good way
of making my users distinguish between an empty row (or even a row
where the first column is empty) and an empty grid were they will have
to insert a record in some cases. Sure - with a non too complex setup
of columns they just have to start to type, but that does not go for
all setups. I have som additions in SysDataChange of the controls too,
but that probably has to do with color coding.

Try commenting out these lines. If they have been removed in your
version and you have a newer one, well, the I don't know.

Feel free to post on here for further information.

Regards,

/Dany

--- In IBObjects@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Hope" <paulhope@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Dany
>
> > Paul!
> >
> > If you do not use color coding I think I can dig up a
> > workaround for you. Currently, my application has a setting
> > for visually impaired users that turns off color coding and
> > gets rid of this problem. Users that use the screen suffer
> > from lost connection when tabbing into emptu grids but they
> > get the correct coding - something used rather much in
> > educational sessions around my app. You'll have to have a
> > little patience but I think I'll have time to dig a bit later
> > tomorrow. However - I'm not sure I'll be able to come up with
> > a solution for you - it's all to vague at the moment and as
> > you said there might be differences in other related configurations.
> >
> I will be patient - thank you ;-)
>
> > A side note; did ever try to you use TIB_CtrlGrid?
>
> Only once and it just displays some simple stuff
> >
> > Comitted; yes it's a pain - I agree. But I don't see anything
> > else that would be more substitutable and at the same time
> > deliver the excellency of most of the rest of IBO.
>
> Yes - I wouldn't want to move to anything else but it would be nice
to have
> a more formal bug tracking/attacking mechanism.
>
> Look forward to your workaround
> Regards
> Paul
>
> >
> > > Hello Dany
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Paul!
> > > >
> > > > I'm so delighted that someone else finally has run into
> > this (though
> > > > it no fun on your part). This has nothing to do with the
> > version you
> > > > are quoting in your post. It's years old (though
> > something else in
> > > > the new verison might have triggered different behavious).
> > > >
> > > > Search on my name in the ng look at threads with Geoff
> > involved and
> > > > you will find some info. I have hacks and rants if you are
> > > > interested!
> > >
> > > I'm delighted you're delighted - I think :-/
> > >
> > > I have had a search through. I tried Jasons suggestion of setting
> > > AlwaysShowEditor to True - but it makes no difference. I
> > also tried
> > > commenting out the last 2 lines of TIB_CustomGrid.CMEnter - but that
> > made no
> > > difference either.
> > >
> > > Also I'm seeing the problem with a vanilla grid - no embedded
> > controls, no
> > > special settings etc.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > The support and the willingness from IBO to take care of
> > intricate
> > > > GUI issues has been very bad the last couple of years (IMHO).
> > > > Especially when it comes to grids and embedded controls.
> > >
> > > I agree - and its very scary when you are deeply committed. However
> > I have
> > > always found a way round - even if it has been to use non
> > data aware
> > > components to provide what the customer wants!
> > >
> > > I think the problem is that grids are so complex and there
> > are so many
> > > different ways of configuring them that it's a very difficult area
> > to mess
> > > with. You saw this problem in 5 years ago - I've only just
> > found it
> > > and I've been using IBO for a lot longer than 5 years.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > You can get some interesting revelations on your problem by
> > > > embedding controls for all cols in the grid. Also try to
> > press the
> > > > Alt key twice when focus is "hidden". Do you use color coding?
> > > >
> > >
> > > Since the problem occurs in a plain grid without embedded controls
> > or color
> > > coding hopefully it will be easier to find and will fix the other
> > problems
> > > ;-)
> > >
> > > I'll start poking around but I think it's probably beyond the scope
> > of my
> > > brain.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Paul
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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