Subject Re: [IBO] Open Source Marathon
Author Rob Schuff
I would like to second Jason's suggestions and recommendations in his
missive below. The trustware model should give Marathon the structure it
needs to remain viable and continue in its development.

And if it is indeed true that it uses third party products then open
sourcing it may not be viable. It already uses IBO which is not open
source, but rather is trustware.

Patrick, please consider these points very carefully. I must say I am a
little surprised to know that MArathon has about 1 million lines of code!

take care and enjoy being a dad!


Robert Schuff Bull Run Software
robertsc@... Portland, OR USA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jason Wharton" <jwharton@...>
To: <>
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: [IBO] Open Source Marathon

> Pat,
> I presume that if you are open sourcing Marathon that this is a reflection
> of your current inability to keep up with the development demands that it
> imposing upon you. This means that you are looking to hand it off in the
> most respectable way possible. I respect you for doing this. I am certain
> this will be viewed as a very valuable contribution.
> However, in order for Marathon to be transitioned into Open Source
> successfully you may actually need to double your efforts. I hope you will
> be very frank about how much you are willing to help to get the community
> behind it and keep it alive. Otherwise, I am very concerned that the sheer
> massiveness of the base of code will be too much for us to handle. If we
> know you are there and can rely upon your efforts to continue as the
> lead our reliance will be good. If you are looking to hand it off cleanly
> then I think we should know that too. Then we will know that we have got
> take care of it ourselves and we can just get on with it. I think either
> is fine as long as we know.
> I would appreciate it if however you license it you make it possible for
> to produce a trustware fork of it. I am considering pulling it in as a CPS
> project that I will make available under the same trustware terms that IBO
> is under. I feel like that it is a much more viable development model than
> any of the open source ones because it attaches a reasonable revenue
> to it. My intentions would be to make pull in enough to fund two full-time
> developers to work on it. I myself would only mentor and guide it.
> One thing everyone needs to keep in mind is that Marathon cannot be fully
> open sourced. It has been made with many third party products that may or
> may not allow the use of an Open Source license. Trustware has no
> incompatibilities and I think it is just as favorable to the customer base
> as any open source product is. Free for those who need it free and
> commercially fueled by those in a position to do so.
> I'd appreciate people's comments and suggestions on bringing Marathon into
> the Trustware arena.
> Regards,
> Jason Wharton
> CPS - Mesa AZ
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Patrick O'Keeffe" <pokeeffe@...>
> To: <>; <>;
> <>
> Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 3:17 AM
> Subject: [IBO] Open Source Marathon
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Due to my shifting priorities it has become nigh on impossible to meet
> > commitments to Marathon and my customers as fully as I would like to. To
> > this end we have decided to open source Marathon.
> >
> > This decision has been a long time in the making and was not easy to
> to
> > as it is difficult to 'let go'.
> >
> > I am basically writing to canvas your opinion on the best way forward
> before
> > I just 'chuck the source out there'.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Patrick Okeeffe
> > Gimbal SOftware Services
> >
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