Subject | Firebird project management efficiency |
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Author | paulruizendaal |
Post date | 2006-05-09T16:47:10Z |
On FB-Architect, Jim Starkey made some interesting remarks about FB
project management and his perception of MySQL versus Firebird
success. As this topic is more suited to FB-General, it is cross-
posted here.
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Jim,
I would like to respond to some statements you made, which were
interesting, even though in part factually incorrect. I'm cross-
posting to FB-General, so that we can continue this discussion in the
right list.
setup is due for institutional reform, this has not been a major
drag. In theory, a communist plan-economy is the most efficient, not
suffering from all the duplication and horse trading in a free
market. Yet in practice the reverse is true. This is much the same in
open source. The project has shown admirable progress in the last
years, despite a fuzzy organisational structure.
Oracle), another great race is on between the 3 big proprietary
players and the 3 big open source databases. Which one of the 6 will
win is anybody's guess right now.
million and had nothing to show, but documentation. Apache does not
generate money, yet is a success.
1995, when David Hughes invented LAMP, only months after browsers had
progressed enough to support the concept. David created mSQL and
Lite, a PHP-like embedded language. It took off like a rocket. mSQL
had one important feature missing: it did not support indexes. Monty
Widenius (legally) copied mSQL, added an indexed engine, and thus
created MySQL, which soon replaced mSQL in the installed base. So,
MySQL has a 10-year path, not a 5-year path.
Despite the 10-year effort, MySQL does not have millions of
customers. The latest info from MySQL marketing says they have 7,000
customers; it might be 10K now, who pay over $5,000 on average for
the honour. Half of the latest reported $40 mln in revenue may come
from a few million-dollar customers.
Yes, MySQL have an installed base of millions. MySQL marketing
calculates there are 1.000 users for every customer. My (consensus)
estimate would be around 5 million installations, having peaked late
2004. At the higher end it seems market share is lost to Firebird
(and to a lesser extent Ingres), on the low end share is lost to
SQLite. This 5 million installed base compares well with the
estimated installed base for FB/IB of 3 million.
Moreover, considering that MySQL is weighted towards Linux (60..70%)
and that Firebird is weighted towards Windows (70..80%), Firebird is
actually *the market leader* on Windows.
FB/IB core companies in my estimate generate some $10 mln in sales,
25% of MySQL sales. Sure, MySQL is ahead, but not out of sight. This
makes your new efforts all the more interesting. If the Falcon/Vulcan
engine for MySQL hits the market sweetspot and allows MySQL to
recapture growth, it might IPO at $1.5 billion; if it fails to that,
it might IPO at $0.5 billion. It is not often that one billion
dollars hinge on one man's ability to architect & implement a
breakthrough database engine in 6 months.
So, in summary, the 2nd great database race is not over and Firebird
is in the lead group. It will be a very interesting 2 years ahead.
Paul
project management and his perception of MySQL versus Firebird
success. As this topic is more suited to FB-General, it is cross-
posted here.
=====
Jim,
I would like to respond to some statements you made, which were
interesting, even though in part factually incorrect. I'm cross-
posting to FB-General, so that we can continue this discussion in the
right list.
> Firebird's biggest problem is lack of management of organization.Whilst I agree that the current fuzzy admin/foundation/commercial
> It needs an organization to recognize needs and respond.
setup is due for institutional reform, this has not been a major
drag. In theory, a communist plan-economy is the most efficient, not
suffering from all the duplication and horse trading in a free
market. Yet in practice the reverse is true. This is much the same in
open source. The project has shown admirable progress in the last
years, despite a fuzzy organisational structure.
> This is the golden age of open source databases.Very true. After a first great database race in the 80's (winner:
Oracle), another great race is on between the 3 big proprietary
players and the 3 big open source databases. Which one of the 6 will
win is anybody's guess right now.
> Companies and investors are are throwing sacks of gold at everyoneSacks of money do not equate success. Great Bridge burned through $18
> in site but Firebird.
million and had nothing to show, but documentation. Apache does not
generate money, yet is a success.
> In the time that Firebird has put out three releasesThis is factually challenged. In essence, MySQL finds it roots in
> (counting 1.5 as a release), MySQL has gone from a handful of
> people to a profitable company over over 300 people with tens of
> millions of dollars in the bank, millions of customers, and
> alliances with dozens of major products and companies.
1995, when David Hughes invented LAMP, only months after browsers had
progressed enough to support the concept. David created mSQL and
Lite, a PHP-like embedded language. It took off like a rocket. mSQL
had one important feature missing: it did not support indexes. Monty
Widenius (legally) copied mSQL, added an indexed engine, and thus
created MySQL, which soon replaced mSQL in the installed base. So,
MySQL has a 10-year path, not a 5-year path.
Despite the 10-year effort, MySQL does not have millions of
customers. The latest info from MySQL marketing says they have 7,000
customers; it might be 10K now, who pay over $5,000 on average for
the honour. Half of the latest reported $40 mln in revenue may come
from a few million-dollar customers.
Yes, MySQL have an installed base of millions. MySQL marketing
calculates there are 1.000 users for every customer. My (consensus)
estimate would be around 5 million installations, having peaked late
2004. At the higher end it seems market share is lost to Firebird
(and to a lesser extent Ingres), on the low end share is lost to
SQLite. This 5 million installed base compares well with the
estimated installed base for FB/IB of 3 million.
Moreover, considering that MySQL is weighted towards Linux (60..70%)
and that Firebird is weighted towards Windows (70..80%), Firebird is
actually *the market leader* on Windows.
FB/IB core companies in my estimate generate some $10 mln in sales,
25% of MySQL sales. Sure, MySQL is ahead, but not out of sight. This
makes your new efforts all the more interesting. If the Falcon/Vulcan
engine for MySQL hits the market sweetspot and allows MySQL to
recapture growth, it might IPO at $1.5 billion; if it fails to that,
it might IPO at $0.5 billion. It is not often that one billion
dollars hinge on one man's ability to architect & implement a
breakthrough database engine in 6 months.
So, in summary, the 2nd great database race is not over and Firebird
is in the lead group. It will be a very interesting 2 years ahead.
Paul