Frank,

This sounds VERY useful. I have been feeling like (and hoping very much)
someone in the IBO community would step up and fill this great need. I
would love to do it myself but IBO has a lot of things I am working on and
my time is best spent there, I believe.

Even if someone already has BDE/IBX is all it will take is one email and one
download for someone to be fully setup to work on it with IBO. Eventually
catering to all forms of client access should be desired by Firebird but to
get this off the ground I suggest that it remain focused on one method of
connectivity. They would have to download the latest of IBX anyway...

Who wants to continue using the BDE with IBO's 99.9% emulation making it
painless to have a BDE friendly application code base for the other backends
you are supporting?

Just some thoughts.

Regards,
Jason Wharton
CPS - Mesa AZ
http://www.ibobjects.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank Ingermann" <frank.ingermann@...>
To: <IBDI@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 2:26 PM
Subject: [IBDI] What else to do? a suggestion - was: What To Do?


> Hi all,
>
> Reed Mideke posted a list of things to do some days ago, for
> those who want to actively contribute to Firebird but who
> can not (or don't want to) actually start working on the
> source code.
>
> Well, i am one of those, but unfortunately nothing in his
> list could be done by me (for various reasons: mainly lack
> of time, *nix, tcs, cvs, test hardware and most of all C ;)
>
> So i thought about what *else* pure Delphi/Win32 developers
> like me could do. I remembered that when i started using IB,
> what i missed most were good, well-documented demo
> applications *and* gdb databases to learn from. (The MastSQL
> app is nice but it didn't really help me much...
>
> Like many other FB users i come from a dBase/Paradox/FoxPro
> background, so i came up with the idea to start a Delphi5 sample
> application that shows Firebird newcomers how to get started.
>
> The app(s) should point out clearly how to start with:
>
> a) Firebird itself, esp. its specials like the storedproc/trigger
> language. (once i got it, it felt like Alice in Waferland as
> there was nothing similar in the flat-file dbs i used before, but
> the almost complete lack of useable examples in the docs made
> it quite hard to start...)
>
> b) the application design for a client/server database (as
> opposed to desktop db app design, keywords: why not to use
> TTables, what to do with Transactions, how to avoid temp tables
> etc.)
>
> c) the various ways to access IB/FB: IBO, BDE, IBX, FIB. Since this
> should be a useable-by-everyone example, i'm afraid IBO/FIB are
> out (though i use IBO exclusively and rate it best of all, but
> a standard Firebird newbie will most likely have only BDE/IBX).
>
> The best thing of course would be to have the same app for all of
> the above, so the differences can be easily spotted... a matter
> of available coding time :(
>
> The topic of the app should be something everyone could think into.
> Since i'm a hobbyist DJ i thought a music gdb would be a good place
> to start (anyone has some CDs/tapes lying around i guess, so people
> could play around with the app and feed it with their own "real life"
> data while doing so). Apart from that i've always wanted to write that
> thing for years, so this might be the right time to start :-)
>
> The app could be downloaded from sourceforge or the upcoming Firebird
> site (no more comment on that;) as twos zips: one containg the sources
> of the app and a clearly documented SQL script file for the
> GDB metadata, and a second with the app binaries and the gdb of the
> database with some real content (i got some hundreds of CDs here to
> fill it up as a start...). It should be so that after a new user
> downloaded FB and installed it, he can immediately start with a real
> app and gdb to see what FB can do.
>
> A handy side effect would be to have an open test database for new
> FB builds, so dummies like me with no idea how to set up a tcs<g>
> could help with testing on win32 platforms. (and once we get the
> full-import from cddb.com's db running, we could use it for stress/volume
> testing, too<vbg>...)
>
> Just an idea, what do you think - does that sound useful?
>
> regards,
> fingerman
>
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