Claudio, you just forget the best portuguese IB/FB forum available ;)

Interbase-BR
1000+ members
Average 1700 messages/month
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/interbase-br

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Carlos
WarmBoot Informatica - http://www.warmboot.com.br
Interbase-BR - http://www.interbase-br.com

CVC> At this time, I'm isolated from ib-support because the NG is unreachable as
CVC> warned by Sean. I'm sending a CC to ib-support but please reply to IBDI if
CVC> you have something to say. I've adjusted the reply-to pointing to IBDI list
CVC> in trying to be proactive. I've been doing a painful search in yahoo by hand
CVC> (isn't that any fool there can build a decent search engine for the groups?)
CVC> and found the following groups:

CVC> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IB-Priorities/
CVC> 284 members, 2 messages in Jan 2002.

CVC> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IB-Architect/
CVC> 521 members, 59 messages in this year.

CVC> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IB-Marketing/
CVC> 85 members, one message in Jun-2001, another in Aug-2001 and a third one in
CVC> Oct-2001.

CVC> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IB-Italy/
CVC> 11 members, 3 msgs in May-2001, 1 msg in Jun-2001 and 2 msg in Jul-2001.

CVC> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IB-Conversions/
CVC> 246 members, 25 messages in 2002.

CVC> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IB-PT/
CVC> 6 members, 1 msg in 2000, no msg in 2001 and one msg in 2002.

CVC> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IB_DESIGNER/
CVC> 151 members, 311 msgs in 2000, 5 msgs in 2001, no msgs in 2002.

CVC> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IB-LinuxTools/
CVC> 45 members, 47 messages in 2000, 7 msgs in Mar-2001, 2 msgs Jul-2001, 1 msg
CVC> Aug-2001.

CVC> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ib-germany/
CVC> ONE member! Never a message.

CVC> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IB-Java/
CVC> 294 members, 160 msgs in 2000, 532 msgs in 2001, 202 msgs in 2002.

CVC> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ib-support/
CVC> 863 members, 171 msgs in 2000, 6907 msgs in 2001, 2058 msgs in 2002.

CVC> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FBIBOTR/
CVC> 13 members, 49 msgs in 2001, 79 msgs in 2002.

CVC> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/iblogmanager/
CVC> 29 members, 11 msgs in 2000, 38 msgs in 2001, 2 msgs in Jan-2002.

CVC> I think this group has nothing to do with us. :-)
CVC> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IndecentBehavior/ => IB

CVC> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FBproject/
CVC> But it doesn't use IB or FB, only MsSql and MySql. :-(

CVC> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/interbase_brasil/
CVC> 123 members, 582 msgs in 2000, 350 msgs in 2001, 45 msgs in 2002.

CVC> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/interbase/
CVC> 6 members, no messages, but I'm not sure about this:
CVC> Post message: interbase@...
CVC> The IB list at emporia is rather old and probably there's some form of
CVC> linking, but what's the idea if nothing is visible at Yahoo?

CVC> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/id-interbase/
CVC> 10 members, 21 msgs in 2001.

CVC> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/interbase-de/
CVC> 70 members, 7 msgs in Dec-2000, 1 msg in Jan-2001, 8 msgs in Feb-2001 and
CVC> one msg in Jun-2001.

CVC> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/exib/
CVC> 40 members, 60 msgs in 2001, 18 msgs in 2002.
CVC> This list in intriguing, by reading the charter: «A discussion group for
CVC> ex-InterBase staff members, mostly people who worked there in the 1990s
CVC> (some still continue to be there)».
CVC> Hmm, can all those dinousaurs whose names we read in the sources be found
CVC> there?

CVC> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IBO-Announcements/
CVC> 812 members, internal to IBO.

CVC> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/replicadorIB/
CVC> 18 members, 197 msgs in 2001, 99 msgs in Jan-2002.

CVC> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jediedit/
CVC> 131 members, 22 msgs in 2000, 5 msgs in 2001, 6 msgs in 2002. Supposedly,
CVC> the effort supports many SQL databases.

CVC> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IBDI/
CVC> 761 members, 8 msgs in Jan-1999, 1983 msgs in 2000, 1470 msgs in 2001, 96
CVC> msgs in 2002. Actually I think there's a bug in Yahoo's list management SW,
CVC> the 8 msgs should be in December-1999.

CVC> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IBObjects/
CVC> 1051 members, 1380 msgs in 2000, 12680 msgs in 2001, 1874 msgs in 2002.

CVC> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IBList/
CVC> 17 members, 1 msg in Feb-2000!!!

CVC> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flashfiler/
CVC> 6 members, 1 msg in Jun-2001!!!

CVC> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/XCase/
CVC> 35 members, 17 msgs in 2000, 17 msgs in 2001.

CVC> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IBDH-Translators/
CVC> 68 members, 106 msgs in 2000, 32 msgs in 2001.

CVC> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/interbaseworkbench/
CVC> 389 members, 5 msgs in 1999, 124 msgs in 2000, 267 msgs in 2001, 25 msgs in
CVC> 2002.

CVC> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SqlConstructor/
CVC> 276 members, 4 msgs in 2001, 4 msgs in Jan-2002.

CVC> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IBDH-Translators-ge/
CVC> 11 members, 61 msgs in 2000, 2 msgs in Sep-2001.

CVC> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Grantmanager/
CVC> 105 members, 28 msgs in 2000, 4 msgs in 2001, 2 msgs in Jan-2002.

CVC> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aolserver/
CVC> 34 members, 24 msgs in Aug-2000, 5 msgs in May-2001, 1 msg in Dec-2001 and 1
CVC> msg in Jan-2001 (those two being SPAM). It seems the official page is
CVC> http://listserv.aol.com/archives/aolserver.html
CVC> Sadly, I had to quick the supporter site from the WebRing because it
CVC> disappeared and it seems that the web hosting provider itself vanished, too.

CVC> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/interbaseclub/
CVC> 2 members, 2 msgs in Sep-2000 and that's all!

CVC> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/replicadorbr/
CVC> 11 members, 231 msgs in Jan-2002, 88 msgs in Feb-2002.

CVC> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fbfetd/
CVC> (FB Front End Tool Discussion)
CVC> 29 members, 72 msgs in Jan-2002, 3 msgs in Feb-2002.

CVC> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/acoelho/
CVC> 2 members, 1 msg in Jun-2001. (I never understand some people.)

CVC> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IBO-Workshop/
CVC> 24 users, 48 msgs in 2001.

CVC> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IBFiller/
CVC> 4 members, no messages.

CVC> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ibaccess/
CVC> 13 members, 2 msgs in May-2001, 4 msgs in Jul-2001.

CVC> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ibaliasmanager/
CVC> 30 members, 83 msgs in 2001, 1 msg in Jan-2002, 6 msgs in Feb-2002.

CVC> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/firebird/
CVC> 10 members, 7 msgs in May-2001.
CVC> Founded: Jul 31, 1998??? Is Yahoo nuts or what???
CVC> Otherwise, it's a big coincidence and has nothing to do with this FB.

CVC> Anybody interested in the Pontiac Firebird, BTW.
CVC> :-)

CVC> As you can see, different people start ideas alike but abandon them
CVC> afterwards. And regarding that "FB Front End Tool", maybe it would be better
CVC> to cooperate with an effort already running like IBAccess than to start
CVC> another tool from scratch. We have the lesson learned from IB_Designer... it
CVC> started like a young horse but became dead in the race. Or maybe you could
CVC> consider providing a patch for IBConsole so it produces non-ambiguous SQL to
CVC> query metadata. (As an anecdote, I knew about a developer that changed
CVC> IBConsole to IBO in his spare time while he was learning IBO basics, for
CVC> example.)

CVC> The idea is that the more we want to tackle, the thinner we became and
CVC> that's not good. Let's concentrate resources better. We can end up with 300
CVC> lists with two people, all of these lists being abandoned as time passes.

CVC> REPLIES TO THE IBDI LIST, PLEASE!

CVC> C.
CVC> ---------
CVC> Claudio Valderrama C.
CVC> Ingeniero en Informática - Consultor independiente
CVC> http://www.cvalde.com - http://www.firebirdSQL.org



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