On 3 Oct 2002 at 11:49, Alexander V.Nevsky wrote:

> Me too. But they started forking not yesterday, for themselves they
> made own forked builds in 2000 and perhaps "many modules" means really
> "many".

Fine with me, but they should care about their transparency.

> I hope it is not malicious intent, just neglecting because of lack
> of time. They are time to time reminded of it and after some grumbling
> spend time to get the sources square and make available part which
> they treat they must. Don't forget, they are only two guys working on
> Yaffil in their free time.

Actually, I can't find any Yaffil sources, just some binaries on
http://www.private.peterlink.ru/rcav/download.htm

> You are not right here, Pavel. They implemented this functionality
> earlier than FB, using pause while FB moved to C++. I don't want to
> say FB get ideas from Yaffil, as you know, there was large wishlist
> from Russian community accurately selected, hot discussed and voted
> before sending it to Sean and included into FB tracker more than a
> year ago and most of this features were in this list. You and they use
> the same wishes from users to evolve but they had time odds given.
> Forum which Set mentioned have 100-200 messages a day and most of them
> are discussions on wanted features.

As far as I know, it was their usual practice to get changes from
Firebird's CVS and merge them to Yaffil, we saw this in the past (until
at least some source were available). They even shout at us once when one
our change broke their build. There are reports that this practice
continues to present days.

It's not only about new features, but above all about bug fixes. It seems
that Yaffill team is concentrated more about new features than bug
squashing, so Firebird CVS come them very handy.

Again, it would clear the mud if they would operate more transparently.

> Now I stay on pragmatic position - Yaffil exists for good or bad and
> we should find way for co-existance if could'nt find it for
> co-operation.

I have no trouble with Yaffil beyond the possible IPL infringement. Free
riders and commercial forks are the price that we have to pay for
advantages of Open Source. But this game works only when all participants
have equal rights, so I can't sit on my hands when someone is close to
commit (or already committed) the sin of sins in open source world.

Best regards
Pavel Cisar
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