Lester Caine wrote:

> Jochem Maas wrote:
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>>>functionality - and produces results that are not totally compatible
>>>even with it's own drivers - as I understand some of the 'comments'
>>
>>that's a question of the implementation needing to mature some more,
>>i don't think anyone expects it to work 'perfectly' out of the box!
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>
> Agree with you there, but there are some 'holes' that will need
> addressing sooner rather than later.
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>
>>WHY?? why do other need PDO to get started but we can manage with the
>>'std' (<-- bad wording me thinks) extension...?
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> 1/ pdo_firebird is being shipped and does not work! So either it needs
> pulling - or it needs fixing - I'd prefer to see it fixed.
> 2/ Some 'camps' will be pushing pdo examples and if they don't work in
> Firebird there will be problems, and if there is no pdo_firebird it will
> equally be a problem.
>
> I'm sure you get as annoyed as me by stuff you download and will only
> work with MySQL - JUST had the same problem with a Mapserver client that
> it was suggested I try - only after downloading it do I find I can't
> even install it!

ok - you make some good points. I do think we can help by trying to guide/subdue
peoples expectations a little - we in the IT business have a habit of pushing
expectation to far/high :-)

unrealistic expectations will always end in tears :-/

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>
>>If you want to convince more people (i.e. Average-Joe-PHP-Hacker)
>>to use Firebird then I would suggest is that they need a simple
>>tutorial that explains to said Joe:
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>
> Probably my paper for this years conference ;)
> Based on the outline from last year ...

look forward to seeing what you produce!
firebird definitely deserves more attention from phpers!

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>>>need to try and get it at least working!
>>
>>I don't really agree - I think that php5 is suffering a little from too many new
>>features which aren't fully completed but more importantly are either only
>>partially documented or just relatively unknown. for instance how many developers
>>make extensive use of the Reflection api?
>
> Nature of the beast.
> But only the same as PDO - that COULD be a PHP4 package.
> Tikipro still maintains PHP4 compatibility, so while I run PHP5 - and
> need PHP5 for the Firebird driver - the code is basically PHP4 ;)
>