|Subject||Re: [Firebird-Java] Re: Approaches at JB-to-FB conenctions regarding charsets|
>> >> Hey, hey, we have the property as well, it is documented. HavingSorry, you're constructing imaginary cases. That is ok, but if you do
>> >> property and defaulting the property to UTF8 are different
>> > That is a bit different.
>> > In Delphi u just open GUI and u see that property.
>> And then? Unless it is defaulted and is not mandatory newbee won't
> Bad developer would always find a way to break conventions.
> Unexperienced ones would look "that field... huh? what is it meant to
> be, especially for non-English countries ?" and look docs.
> Also the default might be "-- set the value to enable OK button --"
this, then apply same logic to Java world as well.
We are in "unlucky" situation that there is no GUI, but hey, that is
how things are in Java.
>> C'mon, the issue you had is caused by the developers of the systemNo, only trying to get both cases to one common denominator.
>> wanted to install.
> Formalist approach.
> That way you may drop all the documentation - it is redundant, anyoneNo. I did not say that.
> can get anything just reading Firebird sources. Is it possible ? yes.
> So anything else would be "caused by bad developers". Even bugs are
> not to be documented any more - they are already documented by
> and "good developers" should completely understand them before
>> One can expect that they know what they are doing.Nope, but do not make the JDBC driver developers responsible for bad
> You mean drop Firebird support to avoid learning its scarcely
> documented gotchas ?
design decisions made long time ago. JDBC driver is a replacement for
fbclient.dll. It is not equivalent to Delphi's component which have
their visual property editors.
>> When I deliver an application with Oracle database, I always specifyStop ranting. You asked the question, you were helped. We all agree
>> what NLS settings should be specified during database creation.
> I guess you have rather long Oracle experience.
> And Oracle would hardly care if one web service small developer would
> not support it.
> If FB does not care about beeing used by novices or only by
> old-schoolers, then yes. Let them be hard.
that situation with defaulting to NONE is not ok, but that is how the
things are in case of Firebird. I have posted a request to change the
situation in the next major version of Firebird. What do we need to do
>> BTW, same applies to MySQL - the default database charsetOh man... what do you expect from Firebird team then? Do we need to
>> configuration is
> For web-apps MySQL is almost monopoly, they can enforce reading most
> obscrue parts of documentations.
come to you personally and buy you a beer?