Subject | RE: About the "decrasing passion" of Firebird users. |
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Post date | 2014-02-07T11:12:55Z |
Thank you guys for all your responses! So atleast few of us have still some passion about the product! :) I surely do.
I hope that my post has not been received as a list of complaints, I just wanted to express my point of view.
I think we all agree that the bigger userbase the better for us. Bigger user base means more testers for new releases, more questions and more answers for problems, more possible job openings or just more satisfaction for a core FB devs, because it is good to know that a lot of people is using something they've created.
I will try to answer some of the points some of you made, but again...this user interface prevents me to fully express myself (just the simple example: sometimes I would like to write something in bold, or in italic, yet I can not do this in 2014?). I do not if I am quoting other posters in a proper way, so I hope you will understand this still:
@certfb
"Also to post this message I had to sign into Yahoo (which I only do once in a blue moon) and of course had forgotten my password which entailed three further attempts to enter a new one which must never have been used before guaranteeing that I will forget it next time!!"
And thank you for that, I've also spent like 20 minutes trying to register because captcha had some problems. I've event tried a voice captcha for the first time:)
@Paul Vinkenoog
"Personally I like mailings lists better than forums, because the messages come to you instead of you having to go after the messages. "
I think forums can be easly configured atleast in a way that you will get an e-mail notification with a message included. I dunno about e-mail responses but such notification will always have a link to the topic, so you click it and you are already there, typing your response:)
"But maybe I don't see what's so great about forums."
I will tell you what I see in them. For example, I would like to have a possibility to format my message somehow. If in my message there is a SQL code, I would like to wrap that code in tags <code=sql> </code> and this code would be nicely formatted, for my and other readers convenience, for increased readability.
Sometimes I would like to include some printscreen to show tabular data returned by Flamerobin, or I would like to create just a html table.
Forums give great opportunity to exchange content of a post but not only, it also brings closer the whole community. For example, I would like to see who you are Paul, I would like to click on your login and get transffered to your page on the forum. To see what post you've made, perhaps you wrote something about yourself? I would like to read that. From where you are, what are you doing and so on. Who knows, perhaps you live in the same city as I do. Perhaps you are a Firebird expert who can be very helpful to my company and I could offer you a job. Current interface does not give me those informations, perhaps I could check them somehow, but I do not know how which somehow proves my point - it is not intuitive for me.
Also forums give you opportunities to distinguish one member from another. You can see the number of posts a given member wrote, perhaps we could introduce some system to mark answers as helpful and award points to the users for such answers. This would mobilize other people to make their answers. Of course this is not by any means the final indicator whether someone is a worthy contributor or not, it is more like fun. Why can't we have some fun alongside our work?
Those are the things on top of my head.
"If others do *and* if this could benefit Firebird, well, let's go for it. I just don't think we're in the "who who will make forum on firebirdsql.org" phase yet."
Of course not, we are just discussing. Besides, it is easy to say "lets do it", but someone actually has to do it and this means she he needs to devote his time.
"Unlike Embardacero and Microsoft, we do not have to keep the pressure on users
to PAY for updates. Certainly on Microsoft this is the reason for releasing
software rather than having any good reason to ship!"
Well, I think that the money argument is only valid for Embarcadero. Microsoft can give their developement tools for free because they have other sources of revenue.
That is why you have a free SQL Server editon and free VS Studio edition. I think that the shorthened release cycle has been introduced because word is constantly changing. Shorthened releases means better responsivinves for change, change in technology trends and so on. Why is currently on top might be as well deprecated in the next year...
Some of you for example are waiting for new security improvements in FB 3.0, I do not care about them. I for example would be very happy to have Firebird 2.6 with partitioned tables. But now me and you are unhappy because we are still waiting.
@Hannes Streicher
"Those who complain about Yahoo , try the email interface."
I've tried, it is even worse for me than YAHOO interface:( I am using otulook 2013 to read my mails and I am totally lost in plethora of mails comming from this group. My mail client do not cathegorize them in any way...
@Claudio Valderrama C.
"This is not an ad, I don't work for any of these companies. Just look at the
bottom of these main pages:
http://www.outpostfirewall.com/forum/forum.php
http://www.diyaudio.com/
http://audiokarma.org/"
That is what I am talking about Claudio, a decent forum engine.
"currently the Firebird Server is not really heavily used,
which will become different operating a Forum , so a new stronger more expensive
server will be needed , eating up money no longer available for development"
I am not an expert in this matter but how much posts are generated daily on all FB newsgroups? 100 tops? I think any computer would be able to handle such traffic.
"SO to all those *IN FAVOUR* of a Forum *DONATE* to the Foundation and just
mention that it is for the operation of a Forum in the Message part,"
I will be glad to donate if my money will go for the forum or any other way related to improve the community.
Regards.