There is few of them of course IBExpert, DBWorkbench and other. But is
anyone of then for linux? I have no problem to buy good peace of software
until i can run it on OS of my choice.
Its sad to run good software on not so good OS :)

pavol

> I think FB has an incredible client app, Database Workbench.
>
> Its not free but its phenomenal.
>
> John-
>
> On 3/3/08, Pavol STAREK <pavol@...> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> i think that Helens point of view is too optimistic for firebird.
>> I'm small hosting provider with long experience with firebird. Till last
>> week or two i thought that i'm at least advanced user :) How wrong i was
>> :)
>>
>> Firebird is missing:
>> 1. Lot of admin management tools. For example you do not know what
>> databases are opened in time, how much connections is there for server
>> not
>> database and other monitoring tools.
>> 2. security - nearly all about this topic :)
>> 3. performance limitations. As hosting provider you cannot let wrong
>> code
>> to kill your servers with infinite queries. Killing of query.
>> 4. ability to have two different servers on machine without hard and
>> confusing work. This is MUST HAVE feature for upgrade procedure.
>> 5. client connectors support. php support is not very good, java support
>> is good but lacks some features for example good hibernate integration.
>> 6. Documentation. Try to put words "firebird bug" into google. Yes we
>> are
>> working with mozilla-firefox. (One wrong decision long time ago from my
>> point of view. One small Pyrhos victory for firebirdSQL :)
>> But any kind of documentation is lacking. Only one good think was Helens
>> book. You have to browse several sites and read several release notes,
>> erratas, old documentations, notes, howtos to get tiny overview of
>> firebird.
>> 7. good SMP support
>> 8. good client applications. There are some for windows, but for linux
>> there is only flamerobin AFAIK which is not as user friendly as it
>> should
>> be.
>> 9. really long release cycle.
>> 10. all things Helen mentioned :)
>> 11. If we want it as ISP solution there have to be something like LAMP
>> or
>> WAMP.
>>
>> Firebird have lot of advantages to pgsql and mysql.
>> But:
>> pgsql is rock stable, have no more downtimes then firebird, have great
>> support, great documentation and it works on windows since some time
>> ago.
>> And lot of other advantages. But it's old dinosaurs fork only, resources
>> hungry and sql planer is not very good.
>> mysql is pure web database, lacking lot of features by default. But it
>> have all things hosting provider need to manage it. Personally i hate it
>> :)
>> But Jim Starkey moved form firebird to mysql so lets get surprised.
>>
>> I like firebird. It's like small Kal-El growing to superman. I'm looking
>> on it since it's born and i hope there will be no funeral :)
>>
>> To Helen: Admin have to have "god" access to customers data in any way.
>> At
>> least for legal reasons here in Europe.
>>
>> Bye
>>
>> Pavol
>>
>>
>> > At 06:08 AM 4/03/2008, you wrote:
>> >>Why do so few web hosting companies provide Firebird as a database
>> >> option, but most provide Mysql (or Postgresql) as an option?
>> >
>> > MySQL in the form that it's offered by most providers is "enough" when
>> all
>> > that's wanted is a data store that can throw data at a web page.
>> "Enough"
>> > is plenty for most providers. For those who want to provide "more",
>> PG
>> is
>> > already there on the distro CD. This is an industry entrenched in a
>> > culture of "acceptable downtime" so Firebird's benefits don't do much
>> for
>> > them. Commercial service providers have more incentive to stick with
>> the
>> > "known" than to explore this new thing that's only been around for 5
>> > years. Firebird is "boutique" - you can get it if you're looking for
>> it
>> > but it'll cost you more than supermarket.
>> >
>> > Lack of database-level user authentication probably plays a
>> significant
>> > part. The hosting service can't give you SYSDBA privileges because it
>> > makes your neighbours' databases available to you. Without SYSDBA
>> > privileges there are some essential housekeeping tasks you can't do
>> > yourself.
>> >
>> > Even if the hosting provider has staff with the know-how to do the
>> > housekeeping for you, it means that the hosting provider has "god"
>> access
>> > to everyone's databases. Possibly some providers don't want to expose
>> > themselves to the legal risks; or believe (with some justification)
>> that
>> > such a deal would be hard to sell. Better things are coming in
>> Firebird
>> 3
>> > to address that problem.
>> >
>> > Above all, though, is lack of administration expertise out
>> there. There's
>> > no administrator's manual or certification process available. Slowly
>> as
>> > the wheels grind, the FF committee is currently trying to convene a
>> group
>> > to develop some rules and policy for a Firebird certification process.
>> > It's clearly going to need input and participation from firms that are
>> > already providing training services. It's proving difficult to pin
>> such
>> > people down and get their commitment to the task. As always, it gets
>> down
>> > to time and resources.
>> >
>> > Above all is simply lack of public recognition in most of the ways
>> that
>> > count out there in the field. For example, I've just installed
>> Mandriva
>> > 2008 on a new HDD: how pleasing to get Firebird 2.0.3 via the urpmi!
>> > Yet, even after all these years, the package description that pops up
>> when
>> > you query urpmi is "Fork of Interbase". Ooops!
>> > Interbase==Borland==stuffed, not exactly a selling point for us.
>> >
>> > Helen
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
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