> > > Remember, success is ultimately not decided by features, but by
> > > offering practical solutions to users who aren't necessarily
> > > interested in the database underneath. MySQL was succesful because
> > > for a while it was the best choice for building dynamic websites.
> >
> > And because it was free.
> >
> > And because the security system was easy to use for ISPs.
> >
> > And because fixes were available continuesly. Ever looked at the
> > number of minor updates?
>
> Yes, this all contributes to having been the best choice for this
> type of app for a while
>
> > > This MySQL 3/4 franchise is eroding and whatever MySQL 5 franchise
> > > will have fierce competition from the incumbants: us and
> > > SQLServer/MSDE.
> >
> > Sure, this will become interesting. But Firebird will missed the
> > boat when it comes to "we have procedure, triggers, views and check
> > constraints" with MySQL on a number of -other- features that the
> > MySQL crowd was used to.
>
> Yeah, that pitch is going nowhere. It should be "capable, compact,
> easy, free".

Yep...

>In the end it like with OS's: it is all about the number
> of (quality) applications that you can use with it.
>
> > Now, get SQL 2005 in your VMWare session. Woah, that's a change.
> > I predict that it will be hard to change from SQL 2000 to 2005 ( I'm
> > changing - a lot - of code in a certain GUI tool ;) ... But on the
> > other hand, SQL 2005 offers a lot of new features compared to 2000.
> > Yes, Firebird has some of them and lacks many of them. Add to that,
> > .NET is coming to SQL 2005. And the dreaded XQuery crap.
>
> Fyracle 0.8.9 will have support for SP's in any language. It will
> come with Java out of the box, but could include .NET as well. Many
> FB developers will enjoy writing SP's in Delphi.

I believe Nando (?) has Java working for Firebird as well? Very
interesting, depending on the level of "ease of use" and what you can
do.

And when are we going to see Stored Functions? One of the Russian
developer had it working for over a year in his version of Fb ...

And if these could be written in any language, it would be cool.

> XQuery can relatively easily be handled in a companion server. I'm
> sure we'll have something useful in 2006.
>
> > Don't get me wrong, I still like Firebird and use it for quite some
> > things,both internally here and externally. Works as a treat.
> > Then again, so does MySQL for other things and nice free and open
> > source PHP applications :-)
>
> Sure, MySQL is a nice product with a number of useful applications
> build around it. What is the news in that?

Nothing :-)

With regards,

Martijn Tonies
Database Workbench - tool for InterBase, Firebird, MySQL, Oracle & MS SQL
Server
Upscene Productions
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