webreyman wrote:

> I heard some of those too. Some reports say recovering from crashes is
> much harder. These are older reports though. However there are some
> real web sites running with Postgres quite reliably. Slashdot at least
> when I last checked was using Postgres.
>
> The reason I am being enamored by Postgres is my requirements for high
> level database design (less work is better). Ability to express a
> Schema with ease is more important for me (ORDMS, PL/Python) than the
> actual data I have to store in it. Transactional support, reliability,
> maintainability and deployment ease are not high on my list right now
> (I know, wierd).

From where I see things, ORDBMS is some sort of misunderstanding brought to us
by the marketing of some DBMS vendors without bringing any effective benefit to
developers. The point is: the only way to avoid redundancy in an ORDBMS is to
perform normalization inside classes - if we do so, we are sometimes destroying
the advantages of OO Design.

I don't think it makes allways sense to map a Table to a class or to create a
class for every table in a database. It is usually a nice way to waste coding
time and efficiency and this approach tends to make us forget that views are
sometimes a better place for mapping classes into.

We just need an efficient database...

Armando Halpern

>
> The tools support on Windows for Firebird seems superior and Delphi
> support is great.
>
> There are a few good tools for Postgres too though (EMS Postgres).
>
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> --- In Firebird-general@yahoogroups.com, "Myles Wakeham" <myles@t...>
> wrote:
>
>>That's true. I've heard some real 'disaster stories' about
>
> PostgreSQL DBA
>
>>Maintenance work required. Someone told me that you have to
>
> periodicially
>
>>perform a 'vacuum' on the database to clean it out due to the work
>
> that
>
>>deletions work. Also that the database actually stores its data in
>>thousands of files on disk, which is a nightmare to work with.
>>
>>Doesn't sound to me like a database 'for the fainthearted'.
>>
>>Myles
>>
>>===========================
>>Myles Wakeham
>>Director of Engineering
>>Tech Solutions Inc.
>>Scottsdale, Arizona USA
>>Phone (480) 451-7440
>>Web: www.techsol.org
>>
>>
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Artur Anjos [mailto:suporte@a...]
>>>Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 2:20 PM
>>>To: Firebird-general@yahoogroups.com
>>>Subject: Re: [Firebird-general] Postgres!
>>>
>>>Myles Wakeham wrote:
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>>>>Real simple. Embedded version.
>>>
>>>I can enumerate other "very simple" answers:
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>>>- DBA
>>>Firebird doesn't need a DBA, just a small and simple notions of
>>>backup/restore services;
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>>>- Delphi support
>>>If your language is Delphi, you're Firebird connections options
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>>>valuable.
>>>
>>>- Easy of Install / Deploy
>>>You talked about the embedded version, but this features apply to
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>>>Just to give 1cent to discussion.
>>>
>>>Artur
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