Subject Re: [IBDI] Vote
Author Paul Gallagher
Considering the majority of users of this list are not even U.S citizens, it
was down right insulting.

I second your motion.


--- Original Message -----
From: Leyne, Sean <sleyne@...>
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Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 11:43 AM
Subject: RE: [IBDI] Vote

> Robert,
> Never in my 5 years of using listservers and newsgroups, have I seen
> such a blatantly bad use of such forums.
> Accordingly, unless you have an EXTREMELLY valid reason for this post
> being sent to this list, I will strongly urge your banishment from this
> list!
> Sean
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> Subject: [IBDI] Vote
> My Fellow Americans:
> Gore accuses Bush of a "Social Security Minus" program for
> taking some money from the trust to fund stock market contribution
> plan for younger workers.
> Gore states that "his" plan is "Social Security Plus". The
> "Plus" is a government matching contribution like a 401k and paid
> for with your tax dollars (in this case, the surplus). This is an
> Entitlement Program of vast proportions which will eat an enormous
> amount of the surplus and future taxes forever. You can bet your
> life that the Gore plan would also include a government "matching
> contribution" with a minimum threshold for those folks that have
> no income because they choose not to work. So the worker who has a
> company sponsored plan will in addition to making his/her own
> contributions will, through the tax process, be making the
> matching contributions for other workers. And who is to say that
> companies will not look at this and say "Why should I match when
> the government will do it for me?". An viola, a socialized
> retirement plan for all workers in America and the necessary
> increase in taxes to support it.
> Gore has also admitted that "his" health care proposals are
> just the first steps in his march to socialized medicine for all
> people. And or course, when that is offered, there go the company
> paid plans also.
> So, in the final analysis, Gore who says he is for the "working
> men and women of America" will instead propose legislation that
> will increase taxes on "the working men and women of America" and
> reduce the costs to big corporate interests by eliminating the
> need for their company sponsored programs. You can speculate that
> the corporations will then pay more taxes due to less deductions
> which will in turn pay for these added benefits. That may be, but
> very unlikely considering the magnitude of the proposals. However,
> it will leave one radical change in place: Government control of
> health care and retirement plans. I don't think any of us would
> welcome the government managing our retirement plan since that is
> in effect what Social Security already is and produces little if
> any interest and minimal benefits that only maintain the poverty
> level.
> Election day, November 7th, is probably the most important
> decision point we have had in the last 100 years and perhaps for
> the next 100.
> Vote tomorrow and do the right thing for yourself and your
> country.
> Best regards
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